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in the numbers for obama in the polls has actually made democrats more optimistic about the economy. >> interesting. so the idea of who might win the election is actually affecting the question. >> it appears so. it really does. i'm kind of optimistic. i like to look at this glass half full. you're right that there are some signs of an economic cloud ahead, but, you know, there are some pretty positive signs, too. you've got this trillion dollars of capital on the sidelines, you got these low interest rates that i think can help growth, and you mentioned housing. ali, we haven't built virtually any new housing in five years in this country. you have to think that housing is really going to start picking up. >> steven moore, have you become a democrat? >> no. i think if mitt romney was to pull this out, i think the economy is really going to do well this year. >> for three squares like us, the gdp actually matters, and the reading we got on the gdp this week surprised us. mitt romney hit president obama this week about the gdp number. listen. >> look at the numbers that just came out
. >> guest: number one, i think a leader he is engaged. we have brought obama walking out in 2009 during a briefing on the oil crisis. the room is crowded with coast guard officials and epa and the department of energy and so on. negotiations get tough, john boehner, at one point, he walks out of the room. at another point, then speaker nancy pelosi, he says i'm not a stupid man walks out of the room. this is not leadership. a leader stays engaged. he wins people over and wins them to their vision, or swedes, compromises, cajoled, does what has to be done in order to get their, where ever there is. that is one of the aspects of leadership. he is tough on his subordinates just as he is on himself. when he has acted domestically, he needs to go. the leader has a vision, too. >> i think he was determined in the face of some opticals. if you are solitary person or ceo of a corporation, it is about obstacles, overcoming adversity. getting there. you just don't give up. inspired, you keep on going. inspire yourself first and you keep going until you get there. the impossible is made possible b
unemployment has surprised most analysts. both barack obama and mitt romney were quick to seize on the numbers. here is our north america editor. >> snow in downtown denver slow down the rush hour, that millions of americans have no need form morning haste -- no need for morning haze. how to create more jobs has been central for this election. unemployment rose after barack obama became president, peaking at just over 10%. today's figure is the first time it has been under 8% for 44 months. >> this morning, we found out that the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest level since i took office. [applause] >> the good news comes at the end of a bad week for the president where he was widely derided for a lackluster debate performance. now some feel he is back. >> we have made to much progress to return to the policies that led to the crisis in the first place. i cannot allow that to happen. i will not allow that to happen. that is why i am running for a second term as president of the united states. >> blaming unemployment on the president has been central to the case of republicans. >> unde
. please. i am not barack obama. >> he clearly has control. >> the fact is, this jobs number will not make a difference. the difference is what barack obama does in the next two rounds. it was a very poor performance. you have to give credit to mitt romney who was on his game he made his arguments. not say that he very from the truth, that is neither here nor there. he argued the case effectively. >> the economy created 5 billion -- million jobs in the past few years. is that true? >> i do not know. these numbers are so squishy. it is not 100% clear to me who is right about jobs. what i know is when they were saying on friday morning when they release those numbers, that for the first time, more people who were out of the work force were getting jobs. that is news. >> it is also important to keep in mind who had been hard hit by the economy. largely younger americans, african-americans, or hispanics. those who are either not going to vote or are supporting president obama. so i think you have got a pool of swing voters out there who are actually doing better right now in this economy than
% unemployment number. obama's october surprise. thanks, hilda. that's labor secretary hilda solis, who is responsible for the bureau of labor statistics which puts out the job numbers. >> i have the highest regard for our professional staff at the bureau of labor statistics, highly trained, highly skilled ph.d.s, economists, statisticians, folks that have been working in this area for many years and this is a methodology that's been used for decades and it is insulting when you hear people just cavalierly say that somehow we are manipulating numbers. i find that very insulting. >> hilda solis. for the record, here's how the process works. the raw data comes in on wednesdays, the week before each monthly report. the bureau of labor statistics gets around -- calls around 60,000 households and asks who's working. that's where the unemployment rate comes from. for job growth or job loss, the bls gathers payroll data from businesses. everyone who touches the data signs confidentiality agreements, documents are locked in safes, computers are encrypted, windows are actually papered over, cust
you can. number one. number two, we saw obama do the same thing. he was to hillary's left, brought it around, started quoting reagan in the fall, started sounding reaganesque. that's where the votes are. >> but your party has gotten so much domination by the tea party people and the neocons, you have to sign down here no taxes. >> it doesn't matter what you sign. >> it doesn't? >> at this stage of the game, it didn't matter. all those folks can vote for romney and he'll need the conservative democrats, those independents. >> i have a theory by the way people hate obama so much on the right cynthia and perhaps center right, they hate him so much that they're willing to have this guy go to the center, as long as he wins. your thoughts? >> that's absolutely true, chris, because people like karl rove and billy crystal know that mitt romney is an empty suit and they can push him around if he wins the presidency. >> oh. >> you know that old saying, if you stan for nothing, you won't stand for anything. well, romney doesn't stand for anything. he doesn't really have any values or principl
obama. i think he's somehow shocked that the number looks so good. he didn't want it to look that good. let's face it, this number will help the president. >> absolutely. it's pure political. you shouldn't be then -- you're right, for an experienced business guy who people listen to and look to to cast that kind of ridiculous aspersion is quite damaging and shouldn't be done. let's talk about the numbers. >> let's get to the reality. how good is this news today? >> how good is it did you say? >> yes. >> it's good news. it's not over the moon good news but it's good news. you also have to look at the payroll survey. there i think you see an acceleration of job growth and by the way, you know, welch has a point in sense you should never take one monthly number. that has nothing to do with political bias and all that nonsense. if there's a germ of something in there, you should never take one monthly number. you should average. look at the past three months, payrolls have been growing about 150,000 per month compared to 67,000 per month in the prior three months. that's acceleration, mome
, the chicago people, the guys around president obama got to the bls and manipulated the numbers. >> chris, stop it now. i've reviewed 14 businesses this week. from restaurants to rental cars to widgets. i've seen everybody with a third quarter equal to or weaker than the first quarter. in order to get 873,000 new jobs, you would have to have a gdp going at 4% to 5%. the second quarter was downgraded from 1.7 to 1.3. >> i know. >> the third quarter is not going to be very strong. >> jack welch, thank you very much for joining us at the top of "hardball" tonight. >> thanks, chris. >>> with me now, not to fight with jack but to have a different point of view, jack bernstein. you heard that discussion. i think it's fairness. i like jack. i'm fond of the guy obviously. jack welch raised the question. it was his business instinct the and attitude towards this president, that came together at 8:35 and tweeted out this unbelievable jobs numbers, these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers. i'll go back to what i just heard ezra klein say a few minutes ago out here in th
sweeney, abc7 news. >>> latest unemployment numbers are out today and they potential to jolt the presidential campaign. jobless rate is the lowest since president obama took office. karen travers is in washington with the impact. >> reporter: could this be a game-changer in the presidential race? for the first time in nearly four years the unemployment rate fell below 8%. unlike previous months when the rate dropped because people gave up looking for work. this was due to substantial increase in employment. >> most folks are going to work, they believe enough in this economy to seek or get jobs that's really significant. >> reporter: the nation added 114,000 jobs in september, modest number about what economists were expecting. the government reported upward revision for july and august. 86,000 jobs added over those two months. after president obama's weak debate performance wednesday, democrats are hoping this positive economic news can be a potential boost. >> the president: today's news certainly is not an excuse to try to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it is a remi
ignited a twitter storm this morning when he accused the obama administration of manipulating the numbers for political gain. >> there are always charges of manipulation on either side that's conspiracy thinking. >> reporter: the bureau who put out the jobs report are infrom the political process some republicans say welsh was way of base. karen traver, abc news, washington. >> american airlines cancelled a flight this morning as part of ongoing problems with seats. the flight was scheduled to takeoff 6:40 this morning the airline taking 44 flights out of service to fix the seat problems. 50 flights were cancelled yesterday. american ys wear, poor design and spilled soda can cause seats to pop loose during the flight. this adds to the troubles. >>> health officials in contra costa county holding a news conference this morning concerning an east bay man who died from rabies although paced away overseas he may have contracted the disease close to home. laura anthony is in martinez. what are the health officials saying? >> reporter: they say this ma did contract rabies he in contra costa cou
the numbers. so let's take these one by one. did president obama inherit the biggest deficit in american history? >> it wasn't the biggest and he didn't inherit it. world war ii had bigger deficits. he didn't really inherit it. he helped create it. 2009 was the first year in office and especially something he doesn't seem to want to remember, stimulus $8000 billion. >> paul: as a share of the economy it was 3.2%. it did balloon to 10.1% in 2009. i would give president bush some credit for that because in fact the recession had started. the recession for his first six months of his term. what you are saying there is a thing called $830 billion spending. >> february 2009 that president obama doesn't want to take any credit for but it passed six months. >> he signed it into law. the stimulus was huge. he signed a spending bill shortly before in the spring of 2009. but even in the beginning of 2009 where he wants to throw it on all on president bush. this is when president obama was in senate. he voted for tarp. he had voted for the budget resolution that year. so he really has a hand in all
at spending numbers. spending traditionally has 18-20%. 21% of g.d.p. but under president obama it has spiked 25% of the fiscal 2009 and stayed very high above 24%. >> he has taken us to a new normal level of spending. this is why it's all about for him trying to deny pa the person over that 2009 spending. it skyrockets and we're basically been running during his term as a percentage of g.d.p. a roughly flat level. if he can avoid blame for getting it up to that level it seems reasonable. >> paul: what about the point two wars that weren't paid for and tax cuts in 2001 and 2003? >> when you look at revenue to the gosmt. bush tax guts happened in 2001 and 2003 and you see a surge in gosmt revenue. >>> you were so by 2006 and 2007 it was over 18% of the economy? >> historical norm. they fall as we go into recession. people needing more benefits on the revenue side, people making less money. you are always going to see taxes decline at that point. >> paul: economy has grown so slowly. >> that is really low. so that is big chunk of the explanation. >> the whole explanation. obama spending, runnin
since june of 1983. the numbers bolster president obama's re-election argument and potentially blunts momentum earned by mr. romney in wednesday's debate. meanwhile, new data spurring a firestorm. conspiracy theorists openly suggested the white house manipulated the numbers. former ge ceo led the crowd with this quote, unbelievable job numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate, so change numbers. he did not back down in an appearance on msnbc's "hardball" last night. >> i have no evidence to prove that. i just raised the question. >> you didn't raise the question. you said, these chicago guys will do anything so they changed the numbers. do you want to take that back? >> no. >> this was an assertion, jimmying with the number, corruption here, infiltration, getting to the -- it's not funny, jack. you're talking about the president of the united states playing with the burp oh of labor statistics numbers. this is nixon stuff. do you want to take back the charge? >> i don't want to take back one word in that tweet. >> joining me now for a close look at the jobs number, a
. like barack obama he is taking generally okay numbers and stretching them to the breaking point and that makes his claim also false, wolf. >> bottom line, what is the bottom line when it comes to jobs, the whole issue of the facts of the jobs issue. who benefits the most? >> well, once he pushes out the up and down, everything else, absolute unemployment rate, and it's a fact for a president to get re-elected with a high unemployment rate. all of the presidents re-elected since the 1950s and relative unemployment rates. dwight eisenhower, 4.1%, richard nixon, 5.6%. ron aeld reagan, 7.5%. and bill clinton, 5.1%. second george bush, 5.4%. and then look at barack obama down here. 8.1%. a whopping number for any president to carry into a re-election campaign. barack obama made history when he got elected the first time. if he gets re-elected, that will also be historic, because no president has done it since franklin roosevelt in the fading days of the great depression. >> a new jobs report coming out friday morning for the month of september. we'll see what those numbers are, what
they didn't like barack obama. well that number in the instant poll which those are fluky and shouldn't put too much emphasis on them but gives us inkling of where the currents are going. that's good for romney. i'll echo mike the campaign needed a pause in what was a slide. i think they got the pause and the question is now when you thank you about a new romney, he's had a lot of different iterations in his life. you can imagine the obama campaign trying to make sofg a mediocre debate will jump on that notion of new and say he's created a whole new persona than the guy who ran in the primaries. >> rose: norah. >> president obama left his greatest hit on the cutting room floor. there was no mention of bain or no mention of the 47%, no mention of china, no mention of the auto industry saved. there's no mention of the wars ended and the discussion about obamacare. he didn't mention that that would turn back many provisions that protect women's health, free mammograms, contra ceptives. there are a number of greatest hits he uses on the campaign but he didn't mention tonight. the only thing i
this week president obama wouldvy strong debate performance that would be erased by a weak jobs number, but it's the opposite. the jobs report is in easing concern about obama's weak debate. nate silver said first day in while obama is is happy for everyone to talk about the economy because the numbers are better than expected with the unemployment rate dropping to 7.8%, a four-year low. exactly where it was when president obama took office. there was only a net gain of 114,000 jobs created last month. too low for sustained unemployment reduction. so something for both sides to like. the president has to be thrilled about this jobs numbers, though. it's a game changer unless it's not. the president is the out on the trail pushing it. >> as a nation we are moving forward again. we're moving forward. more people are getting jobs. now, every month reminds us that we've still got too many of our friends and neighbors looking for work. today's news certainly is not an excuse to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn
. in july's number revised to 181,000 with an additional 40,000 new jobs. president obama shared the news with a cheering crowd at a campaign appearance in fairfax virginia. >> obama: this morning we found out that the unemployment rate had fallen to its lowest level since i office. but today's news certainly is not an excuse to try to talk down the economy to score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. >> eliot: not if you're mitt romney. the g.o.p. contender talked down the jobs numbers and the economy at an abingdon, virginia, rally. >> romney: there were fewer new jobs created this month than last month. the unemployment rate as you noted this year has come down very, very slowly. the reason it's come down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work. >> eliot: mitt just can't stand good news on the economy, and neither can his friends on the right, including knocks fuss anchor stuart varney who suspect politics were behind the jobs numbers. >> oh how convenient that the rate
people looked for work. if the same number of people were looking for work today as when mr. obama became president, that number is consistent with my computations. it's important to recognize that this month the household survey for which unemployment rate is computed as opposed to the jobs count and enterprises indicated that about 800,000 people found jobs. that's about 6% increase in the number of people employed, which is an absurd number. no one can believe we have a 135% annual growth rate in employment with the economy growing so slowly. what it appears is a lot of folks out of work have established home-based businesses and they're working on some kind of part-time basis. a reporter that lost his job working as a stringer or something. i don't view the 7.8% as encouraging at aall. >> we've been talking the last few weeks about poll truthisms. maybe not accepting they're ahead in the poll. today we learn about something to call bls truthism where we have republicans and romney supporters openly saying there's numbers are cooked. i want to put a couple tweets on the screen from ear
that this is their guy and force them down america's wrote. i think that you will see after tomorrow obama's numbers will probably get even stronger. it's a shame they did this to us but if we had a strong candidate like ron paul obama wouldn't be able to stand on the stage with him. >> host: it's a shame they wouldn't let other candidates into the debate. a true disservice to the american people. we are also getting comments coming on facebook. tim says you bet, he plans to watch. a good debate brings out the good or bad given the right questions on who stumbles. connie says may be, probably. this could be good. i'm voting for obama. and janic says it will not be obama and romney it will be obama coordinating with the media attack in romney for hours. the candidate of dallas texas, independent collar. what is your take? >> caller: its come line restricted as an independent thinker, and my thought is i'm going to watch the debate probably when i get off of work, but my thought is this: when is the country going to wake up and start losing american lives and the whole middle east is ridiculous. it is
. obama has to defend numbers but so does romney. >> eric: what number does he have to defend? >> bob: how he will cut taxes and balance the budget? >> dana: he has a good answer. obama has a tougher time explaining how in 2008, he ran on one thing regarding taxes. in 2010 he changed his mind to protect his tail. then now his whole plan is against what he said in 2010, is worst thing to do for the country. >> bob: that debate has been out there and argued over and over for four years. the question is how romney says he will, not going to lose money cutting taxes because he is going to take away loopholes. he refuses to answer one question about the loophole. obama will push him. he should. >> greg: mitt has to say why did you cancel pipeline with 8.2% unemployment? >> bob: i'll answer if that if you answer which loopholes you will cut? >> dana: there you go again. >> bob: simple question, what loopholes are you going to cut on wealthy people? coming up, president obama uses heavy, heavy hollywood hitters in a new ad. ♪ >> women will help decide this election. >> i find a champion in pres
numbers in the next round the conspirators will now be being accused the this the obama people as opposed to the romney people. it goes with the turf. >> do you have any sense of how white evangelical likely voters are breaking votes in battleground states and nationally? >> take the harder question. >> it is very clear for mitt romney. quite a wide margin. if i recall the last numbers, his support was in the mid 60s. i don't think it is -- the rest is not necessarily support for barack obama. it divides between support for barack obama and undecided. >> back to the issue of mobilization, the key is going to be as we get into the final two weeks, whose folks show up and the group that is the biggest group to look at right now are the 18 to 29-year-olds because as we look at the likely voter models they are not there and the numbers in terms of turn out as they were four years ago so expect president obama to visit a lot of college campuses. >> that was his margin last time. [in animal] -- >> i was here. two quick questions. the lot of numbers flying around. is this on your web site? f we
to dig through the latest jobs number to make the case president obama has not pit pay dirt just yet. >> there were fewer new jobs created this month than last month. and the unemployment rate has come down very slowly, but it's come down nonetheless. the reason it's come down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work. >> still, one of romney's key metrics on the president's handling of the economy went up in smoke, when the nation's unemployment rate dipped below 8%. >> 8% unemployment for over how many, 43 months? >> we still have unemployment above 8%. >> he told us he would get us back to work and hold unemployment above 8%. >> unemployment month after month after monday. >> reporter: it's a political bar mitt romney has accused the president of failing to clear for months. >> we've had 43 straight months with unemployment above 8%. if i'm president, i will help create 12 million new jobs in this country, with rising incomes. >> reporter: but romney knows the president has fallen short of estimates set by the administratio
situation room. the obama and romney camps spar over new jobs number as the president tries to rebound from his weak performance in his first debate. >>> computer technology helps us get a sense of what the candidates might have been thinking and feeling on the stage. >>> and big bird gets a shout out in the presidential race. will he be an endangered species after the election? >>> i'm wolf blitzer. you're in the "situation room." >>> exactly one month before election day, there's a new dynamic in the race for the white house. after mitt romney outperformed the president in the first debate. and now knew jobs numbers are likely to provide more fuel for their next debate. the unemployment rate unexpectedly fell to 7.8 in september down from 8.1 the previous month and the lowest since january 2009. a separate survey of employers shows businesses added 114,000 jobs last month. and let's bring in jessica yellen. what's the obama white house saying about all of this? >> they're effectively saying that the economy, while it's still weak, is showing signs that the president's policies are working
to vote for obama, the number of people who do not pay federal income tax, and the number of people who receive some sort of federal benefit, that that is all the same 47%. i doubt we will hear that again. >> anybody want to disagree? >> probably not. i do not know if that -- it was for consumption by a very small public. those with big wallets. >> that gives you an important aspect of our fact checking. we focus on the big, national messages, but we know there is lots of micro-targeting going on that is using very precise media to hit very precise audiences. we are not seeing that. we try, we asked readers to submit ideas through facebook and e-mail and what ever. we get a tiny portion of that. i think the case in point, this mailing i got from the romney campaign, maybe that is not going to be a message we hear romney assert at the debate, but it is clearly won the campaign is continuing to make. talk to campaign people, they will tell you, hey, you do not know about the ads you did not see that are running in tiny markets in ohio and florida and what ever. i think there are plenty of
. obama care is repealed. how would you replace it? >> actually, it's a lengthy description but number one, pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan. number two, young people are able to stay on their family plan. that's already offered in the private marketplace. you don't have to have the government to mandate that for that to occur. but let's come back to something that the president and i agree on which is the key task we have in health care is to get the cost down so it's more affordable for families and then he has his model for doing that. a board of people at the government and unelected board, appointed board who are going to decide what kind of treatment you ought to have. in my opinion, the government is not effective in bringing down the cost of almost anything. as a matter of fact, free people and free enterprises trying to find ways to do things better are able to be more effective in bringing down the costs than the government ever will be. your example of the clevelainicy case in point. this is the private market. these are small -- these are enterprises competing
number is so important to jobs, to various campaigns, isn't it smart to have obama donors in as economists in the department of labor statistics? >> and let me tell you, there's no law against giving money. these are not major-- you're making it out like somehow george soros is running the department. ridiculous, eric. >> and you attacked me on something about the-- >> the confidence has been going up for months, this is not something that's based on-- >> i think two statistics that do matter in here to people. whether or not they would pay attention to them. one is the participation rate. >> yes. >> you have that few people, the lowest it's been since 1962. >> let's look at why that is. because more people close to retirement age are deciding that they-- >> that's been debunked several times. >> they're unemployed and-- >> no, no, no, they're taking early retirement and deciding you know what? >> and the line that bob beckel tried to use and it actually does not pan out and the second one is that take home pay is not keeping up with inflation. and inflation is higher so t
this morning. to 7.8 and employers added 114,000 jobs. the numbers come at a critical time for president obama as a tightening in the race as a result of barack obama's weak debate performance. here was president barack obama today. >> this morning we found out that the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest level since i took office. (cheers) >> more americans entered the work force, more people are getting jobs. >> and here is governor romney's reaction to the same number. >> the reason it's come down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work. and if you just drop out of the work force, if you just give up and say i can't go back to work, i'm going to stay home and drop out altogether, why, you're no longer part of the employment statistics, so looks like unemployment is getting better. but the truth is if the same share of people were participating in the work force today, as on the day the president got elected, our unemployment rate would be around 11%. >> the president clearly sees today's numbers good news for his campaign,
. >> his rival president obama who is in day number three of debate camp in nevada dropped by one of his own campaign headquarters. >> it was very nice, you know. although, basically, they are keeping me indoors all the time. it's a drag. they are making me do my homework. >> despite the best efforts, the drum beat is building. it's getting louder and louder with great debate expectations on both sides of the aisle. >> i expect the tone to be a little bit less aggressive than people might be expecting. i expect the content to be pointed and sharp and specific. i think you can go into combat without having to raise the decibels too much. i expect the tone to be a little bit less aggressive than people might be expecting. i expect the content to be pointed and sharp and specific. i think you can go into combat without having to raise the decibels too much. >> joining me from the obama campaign headquarters in chicago is national press secretary for obama for america. we did have a sound bite from congresswoman debby wasserman schultz. if we get that cued up, let me know and we'll cut to it
hilda solis are total pro obama. congressman allen west challenged the numbers, quote, chicago style politics is at work here. and, of course, rush limbaugh took time to get unreal. >> it's no different than obama declaring the temperature is going to be 75 degrees every day no matter what your thermometer says. >> that's the problem with the right and that's the problem with governor romney. they can't stand the truth. things are getting better. joining me now is joan walsh, editor at large for salon.com and an msnbc political analyst. and e.j. dionne, columnist for "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor. joan, let me start with you. what's behind these conspiracy theories? >> they just don't want to accept the realities that the president has made things better, reverend al. i think you forgot one. rush, when hurricane ivan was -- rush accused president obama of messing with the weather or the weather service. i'm not sure which. they impute all of this power to him. it's dark power. it's evil power. because they can't deal with the fact that he had a plan, he implemented t
? it will probably last until the next debate. >> numbers get to with lou dobbs going to help president obama. >> bill: what about the race deal? cookie stuff, we know where it comes from and who is generating it. we don't take it seriously. it is so far out there. these people, i guess they believe what they say marianne, it's offensive to everybody else, is it not? >> look, style does matter. make no mistake about it. what voters are looking for from the president the other night was someone who is going to fight back. >> bill: are you dodging my question about race, marianne? are you dodging it now? >> no. not at all. >> the guy said obama couldn't talk frankly because is he black, marianne, and you say, what? i say that's not true. >> fight back that's not true. powers, what do you say? >> it's insane. that's not true and insane. why do these people do it? i mean, if this injecting race into this. >> they are trying to make excuses for a very bad performance. >> the air was too thin al gore and he couldn't talk because is he black. >> desperation, really it is. >> bill: desperation too ki
national numbers out today on the presidential race. quinnipiac university has president obama leading mitt romney 49% to 45%. that lead is all about the gender gap. in the poll, the president leads romney by 18 points among women. while romney holds a 10-point advantage among men. peter brown is assistant director of the quinnipiac university polling center and joins us from washington, d.c. can you tell from the polling what specifically feeds into the gender gap? are women happier with president obama or is this just an anti-romney vote? >> historically, women are more likely to be democrat, men republican. women see a greater role for government overall. not a single here or there, but overall. they are less tax averse than men tend to be. men tend to be more tax averse. they favor small role for government. in a campaign which role of government and taxes and spending are the key issues, this breakdown is not surprising. what is interesting is that the gender gap has been around a long time. which size is able to maximize its gender better and hold its own among the other? what we are
unemployed or given up hope of being employed. >> i heard people like barack obama say the numbers were cooked, were fixed. former ceo of g.e. >> jack welch. >> jack welch say they were fixed or something? >> he said definitely those guys from chicago they can't debate so they're cooking the books. >> bill: do you take that seriously? >> no. i do not take it seriously. i have to say jack welch gave us a good laugh because he he was serious. >> bill: welch believes these are bogus numbers? >> that's what he said. it's the kind of nonsense what's really book here. 50,000 they survey the establishment survey it's called services and government is about 150,000 there is a lot of volatility. people going around saying this hasn't happened in 30 years. >> bill: in your opinion though, there are more jobs being added pushed from full time into part time. they are younger, less educated. unskilled. lower paying. >> if you are working part time you come off the unemployment rolls, that goes into the unemployment rate. that's a legitimate thing to talk about this is important. 14.7% unemployment
with barack obama, number one. and that what mitt romney has to do is convince people that four years from now a mitt romney presidency will be better for their personal lives. they understand on the likability question of which the president beats mitt romney so handily, they're not about to convince all these people suddenly to turn around and say, oh, we like mitt romney more than we like president obama. what they're going to try and do is say you like him enough and he can do the job and he's better able to fix things. so he's not going to try and be bill clinton here, i feel your pain. but what he's going to try to do is say i'm focused on your concerns. >> can a debate like tonight's debate really change the direction of this campaign? >> i think it can accelerate or decrease momentum one way or another. and i went back and looked at 2004 for example when you had john kerry and george bush. in sort of late september bush was ahead of kerry by about seven points. after the first debate it was a two-point margin because john kerry did very well. then george w. bush came back and did bette
in the numbers too. steven, you were on hand for for obama today, what did they say? >> they took 12 hours to figure out what the spin was because it was not ready last night. they were late getting to the spin room last night in denver. they settled on a line which was mitt romney might have looked good and sounded good, but everything said was false. he was lying one after another after another. what was interesting on the conference calls, they didn't give much supporting evidence. it's one thing to make the claim, but another to support it in a way to convince the people you're listening to. president obama might be able to do that on the campaign trail talking to partisan democratic audiences, but not much on the conference call today suggesting he's ready to support that claim. gerri: all spin going on today. al gore had this to stay "obama arrived in denver 2 p.m. before the debate started, and romney did the debate prep in denver. when you go to 5,000 feet with a few hours to adjust -- >> i'm prepared for al gore at altitude for the presidential debate in 1996, and the issue is not
the swagger and overconfidence is gone and i would call it anxiety for them today. this is the way the obama campaign tried to react. number one, they put out the first tv ad calling mitt romney dishonest. david plouffe, the senior strategist for the campaign and, of course, inside the white house, used the word "dishonest" or not being honest nearly a dozen times when briefing reporters this afternoon. so they're trying to put the focus on mitt romney and saying hey, he gave a great performance, but wasn't exactly honest. we'll see. it was rally therapy out here though, brian. he did have 30,000 people show up in madison. >> chuck todd, peter alexander with the view from the trail, wrapping it up for us tonight. gentlemen, thanks. >>> we have two big and still developing stories tonight having to do with how we all get around. on the east coast and the west, beginning with new troubles for american airlines. and for that, we want to go to tom costello. in our d.c. bureau. tom? >> reporter: hi, brian. american airlines is tonight saying it is going to ground all 48 of the suspect 757s that h
the number was fixed to make president obama look good. the fact remains, conservatives have been shoving these unemployment rate numbers to the president's face for the last three and a half years. now it's come back to bite them. they hate it. they can't stand it. it's success under obama. and if it works for them, well, it's the truth. if it works against them you know what it is? a conspiracy, a lie. you know what it is? it is pathetic. you want a real conspiracy? i'm going to give you a real conspiracy here tonight. an entire political party in washington, d.c. you know this. has spent nearly four years making sure no legislative action was taken on jobs. when president obama approached them with solutions to get people back to work, they rejected them immediately, said no. they even said in public, their number one goal was to make barack obama a one-term president. when they executed this strategy, what did they do? they damaged the country. do you call that economic patriotism? i don't. this is what a job growth has looked like over the past three years. now take a look at what ha
lower unemployment number usher the president into a second term? we'll talk to the obama campaign's vice chair, jan schakowsky. >>> topping our political headlines, mitt romney is out with a new podcast this afternoon, in which he attacks president obama over his debate performance. >> president obama could not defend his record. he offered no new ideas for how to fix the economy. i welcome the chance to share my vision for renewed prosperity and opportunity and i think it compared quite favorably to president obama's policy for big, trickle-down government. >> this past hour, mitt romney's son, josh, met with reporters in the swing state of virginia. it's part of a day-long effort the campaign is calling super saturday, with volunteers going door to door in battleground states. president obama has no public events today. he will head to california tomorrow, where he is expected to tout the new jobs number, 7.8%, and some big fund-raising numbers out today. president obama and the democrats raised $181 million in september, the highest single-month total so far. more on all these
until the election day, and the obama campaign has just released a staggering fund raising number. george stephanopoulos is here to talk about who has more momentum heading into this final month before the election. >> 30 days to go, as you say, and look who is getting the last word on the presidential debate. he found himself in the cross fire, and last night, big bird hitting back. he went on "snl." he really is big when you see him next to a human being and he was, let's just, say diplomatic about the whole thing. we'll tell you what he said coming up. >>> but first ginger sow with more on that freeze warning in parts of the country. we're wearing long sleeves, ginger. >> i felt it this morning as did so many millions of americans across the nation. let's start with a look at just how cold it is this morning. it's not just freeze warnings, but it's freeze watches, frost advisories that cover the nearly two dozen states this morning. amarillo even, 37 degrees, wichita is 36. kansas city, right above the freezing mark. now, what happens is we look for today's highs, and that's wh
. >>> we begin with news on the unemployment rate. down to the lowest number since president obama took office. his campaign says that proves the president's policies are working. republicans argue the numbers are down because people are just giving up. doug mcelway with details of the latest disagreement. doug? >> the controversy surrounding the release of the september unemployment numbers continues to it swirl after one of america's most respected ceos took to twin citieser to find up off this tweet. "unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't dewait so change numbers. peacing a torrent of criticism for the defeat. welch struck about the criticism of the number. >> who is participating. who is not working. who is trying to work but has dropped out. all of these things. it just raises the question i think there ought to be a good discussion aut how this number is calculated. >> most analysts are dismissing welch's criticism as utter early without evidence while at the same time pointing out that the jobs numbers largely reflect an obama econom an obat has th
that the unemployment rate for september was right there, 7.8%. the obama campaign out to that go number to show that the recovery is picking up steam, but republicans say the actual jobs picture is far bleaker because that number doesn't account for millions of americans who are underemployed or simply given up for work. it sounds like this political battle may have gotten the start from controversial tweet from jack welsh? >> he is one of most respected former ceos. within minutes. jobs report. he tweeted this. quote, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change numbers. despite no evidence that the numbers were cooked, he refused to retract that statement. he did tell cnn he might have added a question mark if he were to do it again. republicans are using them as evidence of a stagnant economy. >> we want to return to full unemployment. what we have -- full employment. but we have seen 37 months in a row of private sector gains. it's far better than losing 100,000 a month as when george bush was in office. >> what is disappointing, the down tick on em
is expected to tout the new jobs number, 7.8%, and some big fund-raising numbers out today. president obama and the democrats raised $181 million in september, the highest single-month total so far. more on all these stories throughout the next two hours. >>> the campaign focus shifts a bit next week to the vice presidential nominees. paul ryan and joe biden will face off in their only debate next thursday night. paul ryan has just left his four-day debate camp. he is heading back to wisconsin for a fund-raiser tonight. and as for the vice president, we check in with msnbc news campaign embed carrie dan. she's embedded with vice president joe biden's team. carrie, vice president biden's schedule shows him to be in wilmington, delaware, right now, and for the next few days. what is planned for him? >> that's right, milissa. he's going to be doing his own debate camp there, up until a day before the debate. he's spending time with chris van hollen, that's his sparring partner. van hollen has worked with paul ryan, he's a democrat from maryland, who worked with ryan with and against on the hou
and this morning an eye-popping number. president obama announced he has raised nearly a billion dollars in campaign cash. meanwhile, mitt romney riding his post-debate momentum into a must-win state for him, florida, it's "your voice, your vote" and abc's david kerley is in orlando with 30 days to go. david, good morning to you, sir. >> reporter: good morning to you, dan. you know, mitt romney is really trying to build on that debate momentum, so he's spending another day here in florida where the campaign says that the race is tightening, and romney got one of his biggest crowds ever last night in a state he really has to win. [ cheers ] >> that was a florida welcome. thank you so much. >> reporter: one of mitt romney's biggest crowds ever, more than 6,000 supporters near orlando in a state he needs to win. >> we're going to overcome the challenges we have. i'm counting on florida to win this for me on november 6th. >> yes. >> reporter: the crowd energized about the candidate's chances after that first debate. >> when it came to jobs and the economy, he doesn't really have anything to
pointing out that the jobs numbers largely reflect an obama econom an obat has the economy still stuck in neutral. >> the policies that the president put in place actually made it worse. including the fact that obama care is causing small employers not to hire because of rising healthcare costs. >> former white house press secretary robert gibbs today also touched on the jack welch tweet. >> you wonder why institutions in this country are the perception of institutions in the country are failing because people go on tv and make stuff up. ask for the evidence and he said he had none. >> we continue to make progress. 31 consecutive months of private sector job growth. certainly we are not where we want to be. >> many analysts who combed through the unemployment data released attribute the decline to a big increase in part-time work. people looking for full-time jobs unable to find them and they are settling for part-time jobs. there were some 582,000 new part-time jobs created last month. the bureau of labor statistics categorizes the number as "part time for economic reasons." not exact
't know the numbers, but my suspicion is that that's a very impressive number by president obama, and while he was, in essence, his cash on hand began to dwindle starting in may had he spent all the money on tv, this is going to get way in the weeds, but it's very important. if you're obama or romney, the money that you have in your own campaign treasury is the money most easy to spend with the biggest impact, and you're guaranteed, if you're obama or romney in getting the lowest unit rate, the lowest cost for the a tv spot buying from a tv station. outside groups like american crossroads have to pay a premium. president obama spends a dollar, we have to spend more than a dollar to get the same weight of television. a lot more of romney's money is found in the wallet of the republican national committee, and smaller money is found in the democratic national committee. what's that mean? if you use money from the democratic or republican national committees, you have to use what are are called combo ads in which you not only mention obama, but also democrats, or not just romney, bu
't debate so change numbers. chicago guys presumably meaning the obama campaign. we will talk to him about that. congressman alan west said this on his facebook page. in regard to today's jobs report, i agree with jack welch. chicago style politics is at work here. conservative commentator laura ingraham said obama's october surprise, thanks, hilda. that's labor secretary hilda solis, who is responsible for the bureau of labor statistics which puts out the job numbers. >> i have the highest regard for our professional staff at the bureau of labor statistics, highly trained, highly skilled ph.d.s, economists, statisticia statisticians, folks that have been working in this area for many years and this is a methodology that's been used for decades and it is insulting when you hear people just cavalierly say that somehow we are manipulating numbers. i find that very insulting. >> hilda solis. for the record, here's how the process works. the raw data comes in on wednesdays, the week before each monthly report. the bureau of labor statistics gets around -- calls around 60,000 households and ask
up, see that unemployment number and be encouraged. going forward if i was president obama i would do something else entirely. >> um, um, and hum. >> cenk: when we come back i'm going in a different direction. already, later in the program serious story about milwaukee police and abuse that led to a detainee's death. >> i watched that tape one time, and i can't watch it ever again. it broke my heart so bad that they just didn't help him at all. (vo) what is said here could decide the election. current tv presents coverage of the vice presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> the idea that he could criticize the president on the down grading, when he led the charge to block a resolution. outrageous. (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like you. >>now that's politically direct. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> cenk: all right now, we had a debate, and one of the things that mitt romney did obviously was that he didn't tell the truth. so it's okay. now president obama was not on his a-game, but he'll come in and straigh
contentious in a highly charged political atmosphere. first the numbers, and then the controversy. the labor department says the unemployment rate fell to 7.8% in september, a drop of 0.3% from august. the current rate is the lowest level since president obama took office. >>> but timing, we all know, is everything. the report comes a month before the election and some obama administration critics are suggesting the books were cooked. jack welch the former ceo of general electric tweeted this. unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate, change numbers. he later came on "anderson 360" and said if he had that tweet to do over, again, he would have added one thing. >> so many politicians are saying these days, michele bachmann will say something that is factually not correct. not provable and say, look, i'm just asking the question. is it responsible to say i'm just asking the question, but these guys aren't doing anything, i'm just asking a question. >> i should have put a question mark at the end of that. >> so, you are kind of backing away from the chicago g
and department of labor measures unemployment, number one, and b, maybe you think barack obama's not doing a good job and mitt romney should be replacing him. but to honestly suggest that there's corruption, that the obama campaign may have had something to do with cooking these books, why do you need to do that at a time when u.s. trust for government and institutions is at an all-time low. that is not good for society. what does jack welch gain by introducing this? there are so many ceos who talk nonsense. what do you gain from this, jack? why don't you take this opportunity to take it back? >> i love you. i'm not talking nonsense, okay? >> i love you more, jack, but fix this. >> wait a minute. wait a minute before we have this lovefest. i told you that these numbers are implausible. we don't have a 5% gdp growth in this quarter. we don't have it, ali. we revised the second quarter down, i'm involved in 14 businesses, i've been looking at them over the last week. the third quarter is not strong. it's not strong, from restaurants -- >> okay. let me ask you this. let me ask you this, jack. i agre
, those we'll see state number two. the obama campaign will celebrate this new national number. here's the key question heading into the battleground states, in colorado where the race has gone up, nevada where it's gone up, essentially flat in new hampshire and north carolina, how does this new national number no question good for the president play out in those states? >> john, both candidates obviously reacting to the jobs report today. governor romney saying this isn't a real recovery. we need more job growth. that's what he says. the president says it's a reminder that the country has come very far so far and he's not going to be turning back. so who's right? >> again, it depends on your perspective. the job growth is not as robust as either candidate would like. you need essentially 150,000, some economists say close to 200,000 jobs a month to keep a flat line and begin to turn the rate down more. look at some of the other data. if you look here's job creation. remember, this is the end of the bush administration, early obama administration, the economy was bleeding jobs. 800,0
community calling those numbers completely fake, deliberately distorted to make president obama look good before the election. the obama administration firing back calling such charges ludicrous. what is the real story? joining me now, former white house chief economist and labor department commissioner keith hall, moody's chief economist, john lonski, and carried from call bomb capital management. welcome to you all. very curious. nearly a half percent move in the an employment rate on just 114,000 jobs growth in the month surprising to jack welch, former ceo of ge. here is what he said. >> well, and the last two months we have gone from 83-81. now we are going to 7.8% by changing the numbers assumptions. like. i don't know if -- what the right number is. i tell you, these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. gerri: gary, to you first. is the bls giving as ps? >> it is the bs. look. three months ago i said that even if we got newt we would be under 8% because the politics of it. we saw 30 days ago the fed announced a open ended printing of money
: both president obama and candidate mitt romney using today's jobs report to bolster their campaigns. the truth behind those numbers and a $5 gas, already happening in one state. could it happen in yours? welcome to "the willis report." ♪ hello, everybody. i'm gerri willis. do you believe the jobs numbers released today? a huge drop in unemployment rates to 7.8%. a look at that. nearly 1 million people entering the workforce in just one month. today, some of the business community calling those numbers completely fake, deliberately distorted to make president obama look good before the election. the obama administration firing back calling such charges ludicrous. what is the real story? joining me now, former white house chief economist and labor department commissioner keith hall, moody's chief economist, john lonski, and carried from call bomb capital management. welcome to you all. very curious. nearly a half percent move in the an employment rate on just 114,000 jobs growth in the month surprising to jack welch, former ceo of ge. here is what he said. >> well, and the last two
-- is obama debt. george bush is responsible for 5% of it. >> i don't buy those numbers at all. the debt was $1 trillion wh obama came into office. the noble prizewinner, the economist, estimates the cost of the iraq wars in the neighborhood of 5 or $6 trillion. by the time we pay veterans its >> all right, gary, let me switch topics for a little bit n. an introduce yesterday, mitt romney backtracked on his infamous 47% comment saying in this case, i said something that is just completely wrong. is that another etch a sketch moment for romney? >> it keeps the mitt romney weather vane question going. it would have been a better answer to have commit it come out the day the story came out than three weeks later. >> i can't wonder why romney's running from the 47%. everything he citizen true. 45, 47% of the people go one way, 45, 47% go the other way. we fight over the other 10%. it's certainly the case that obama has built out the victim economy, the dependency economy, the welfare economy. there are many, many people that obama has effectively created who conceptualize themselves in that
-- the point is that in boasting about the unemployment number the obama people are making too much out of one pops's number which everybody does but there's a fundamental truth that things are getting better. not as fast as they should by a long shot. maybe a quarter of the way back from the damage that was done by the financial crisis, but we are making our way back. >> when you look at both events, let me ask you to weigh in, how much did the race change this week? >> i think it changed -- i think romney helped himself but i think this is a clarifying event because now the republicans are enthusiastic about romney. while they're enthusiastic about ryan, the winner of this race will have real legitimacy. this is not going to be a thing where they say, well, he really didn't represent our caution. now that -- if the president wins re-election, then you're going to see sort of policies along the clinton line when it comes to tax on top earners. you're going to see the health care bill stay in place. you'll see regulation of wall street stay in place and see these things happen. if by the same
times as much this is the blowout? no. it is a close race. obama's problem he cannot get 50% the number on the election day is likely to be less than your final number because your detractors will vote against you. gerri: it is about the spin. thank you for coming. enjoy the debate. pundits and politicos debates of the long run but they cannot blasted the memorable moments. number 51992. vice presidential showdown with james stock dale. >> admiral stock dale? >> who am i? why am i here? [laughter] [applause] gerri: that moment lead to ridicule and the saturday night live skit he only decided to participate one week prior and did ask the moderator to repeat the question. number four. out course. >> i get something positive done on behalf of the people. that is the question not your philosophy your position but can you get things done? [laughter] i believe that i can. gerri: remember that moment? and he made in seem condescending with his citing. >> these of the elements of the national health insurance. governor reagan is such a proposal. there you go again. gerri: this became one of ron
know on our website, cnn.com/opinion, you posed these foreign policy questions to barack obama. number one, can you tell us specifically what the afghan troop surge accomplished? and this, can you guarantee that iran will not have acquired a nuclear weapon by the time you finish a second term in office? david frum, foreign policy seems to be one of the president's strengths, at least that is what some of these polls indicate. of the two questions we just showed, some of the questions you posed here in this ten questions for obama to answer piece, which is likely to be toughest for the president to answer and why? >> all right, well, i put foreign policy questions at the top, that's so core to a president's responsibilities, domestic, occupy the second half of the list. the tougher question would be the afghanistan question. this is the president's probably single largest scale foreign policy decision, the bin laden raid, a tough call and he's made many other decisions both public and secret. but he -- he campaigns strongly in 2008 oninding down the iraq war and escalating up the afghan
of speculation on line on social media this morning, that the obama administration could be fudging the numbers. we took that question right to the secretary of labor this morning. she tells us it's ludicrous to say the numbers could be manipulated. >>> secret service has new policies in place after one of the most embarrassing scandals in the history. it would ban excessive drinking and the share of work related information on sites including facebook. this comes five months after more than a dozen employees of the secret service were accused of drunken partying with prostitutes. >>> american activists are planning to stage a protest against u.s. drone strikes, member of the antiwar group code papping planning to hold a rally in islamabad. they are saying the drone attacks killed innocent people, there are conflicting reports about drone casualties. civilian deaths or injuries are rare but others disagree with that. >>> greece's prime minister says his country can only survive until the end of next month. right now officials from the european commission, international monetary fund and europea
, if we sort of change that debate narrative and obama won it and then these numbers come out, people already starting to talk about the race being over. i think it would be even more significant. so just really points up how big that debate performance of romney was to overcome all this news that's been working against him for a while now. jenna: that is interesting painting that other scenario if it didn't happen that way but it did. in the news cycle over next several days, does it wipe out the debate performance by the president because these new numbers look more positive than expected? >> doesn't wipe it out. romney would much rather have these 8.3 and rising and the 7.8% does talk, let him talk about you who the recovery's moving apace. the more significant thing, jenna, though is what the polls were saying before any of this. suddenly we were seeing 57% of americans starting to say that they thought the country was in recovery. only 43% thought it wasn't. there is a real feeling out there, for whatever reasons that the economy is recovering. this little piece of news here may
now, it's his attitude towards obama, and i think he's shocked that the number looks so good. he doesn't want it to look that good. this number is going to help the president. >> absolutely. so it's pure political. you shouldn't be then -- you're right, for an experienced business guy who people listen to and look to, to cast that kind of a ridiculous aspersion is actually quite damaging and shouldn't be done. let's talk about the number. >> how good is this news today? >> how good is it, did you say? >> yes. >> it's good news. it's not over the moon good news, but it's good news. i think you have to look at the payroll survey. there i think you see an acceleration of job growth, and, by the way, welch has a point. you should never take one monthly number. if there's a germ of something in there, you should never take one monthly number. you should average. if you look at the past three months, payrolls have been growing about 150,000 per month compared to about 67,000 per month in the prior three months. so that's a bit of an acceleration. a little momentum on the unemployment rate. >
. as you might expect, president obama and governor romney saw these numbers quite differently and we have two reports tonight. first, nancy cordes covering the president and she's in cleveland. nancy? ncy?eporter: scott, you could practically see the relief on the president's face today and not just because this news helped to change the subject from his shaky debate performance. negh unemployment has been an albatross around his neck the past four years. today he mentioned the drop not once but twice starting in virginia. >> this morning we found out that the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest level since i took office. ( cheers and applause ) more americans entered the work errce, more people are getting jobs. >> reporter: around steady rain in cleveland where president esida shared a coat with the supporter who introduced him, he made it clear to a crowd of 9,000 that he understands there's still a long way to go. >> there are too many friends and neighbors who are still looking for work. any many families who are still struggling to pay the bills. and they were struggling even
given up hope of being employed. >> viheard people who don't like barack obama today, say the numbers are cooked, fixed. doesn't what's his name, the former ceo of g.e. -- >> jack welch! he said, the guys from chicago can't debate so they are cooking the books. >> do you take that seriously? >> no. but he gave us a good laugh because apparently, he was serious. >> he believes -- >> i think -- >> he believes that they are bogus numbers. >> it's when he said. it's the kind of nonsense eye mean, the last thing -- anyone should be looking at in these numbers is somebody cooking the books. what is really at work here, there are two survey, one of 50,000, they survey the businesses and they survey the households. the establishment survey as it's called of businesses and government is about 150,000. and the survey of households is about 50,000. so there is a lots of volatility. there are people saying, this hasn't happened in 30 years -- nonsense. e >> in your opinion, there are more jobs being added. but most of these jobs are part-time jobs itch they are part-timions, people who have bee
't believe there was a expiration. take your best shot. it's not a number that barack obama can really crow about. identify been saying for a very long time, people ignore the unemployment rate because it moves around in an unpredictable way. jobs added and jobs loss number is the one you can get your teeth into. not enough for barack obama to crow about. not that much for mitt romney to sink his teeth into. >> reporter: barack obama will crow about this number and already has. you know, we did see a big gain in this household survey. here's one of the problems with the number that came out. the big gain in jobs, ali, about 600,000 of those jobs were an increase in part time work. now, look, working part time is better than not having a job at all no, question about it. but try feeding your family, try paying your medical bills, try paying for all your other expenses like your mortgage with a 20 to 25 hour job. so, look. i think the american people still believe as i do, it's still a pretty miserable labor market out there. it's getting a little better but not a whole lot. >> diane swank is
to sink his teeth into. >> reporter: barack obama will crow about this number and already has. you know, we did see a big gain in this household survey. here's one of the problems with the number that came out. the big gain in jobs, ali, about 600,000 of those jobs were an increase in part time work. now, look, working part time is better than not having a job at all no, question about it. but try feeding your family, try paying your medical bills, try paying for all your other expenses like your mortgage with a 20 to 25 hour job. so, look. i think the american people still believe as i do, it's still a pretty miserable labor market out there. it's getting a little better but not a whole lot. >> diane swank is a chief economist. she joins us from chicago. diane let's talk about it. 7.8% unemployment rate. an improvement but we're not out of the wood yet. let's dealing with the real numbers. 1.1 million people unemployed in september. 40% of them have been unemployed for six months or more. as stephen just alluded to many jobs created are not of the quality you would like to see. what's
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